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You don't want me to rule those two Boer republics as the sole property of the Boer people.

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Can I make a distinction? No, no, no. No, you ask me the question and I answer it. No!

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South Africa, a vibrant, multi-racial democracy, a model of reconciliation and opportunity

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on the African continent. But I was here for a different story. I'd heard about a subculture

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of separatists intensely opposed to the new regime and determined to build its own communities

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for whites only. My first stop, Oandale, a town on the edges of the Karoo Desert, was

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the South Africa. I was here for a different story. I'd heard about a subculture of separatists

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intensely opposed to the new regime and determined to build its own communities for whites only.

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My first stop, Oandale, a town on the edges of the Karoo Desert, founded by Peter Dutoyte.

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He devised an unusual security system to protect its exclusively white inhabitants.

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So where are we? Why are we here? We are right in the middle of our security strip that runs right around

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our little town with game animals for the protection. We've got the black filibus over there.

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You mean this is like a strip running around the community of Oandale in order to defend against

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outsiders? That's right. Using wild animals of different degrees of ferocity, featuring,

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among others, wildebeest. Yeah, black wildebeest. Black wildebeest. Ostriches. Ostriches. The

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birds. Yeah. Are they dangerous? Yes. One ostrich kick can kill you. Really? Would it be

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okay for me to put that to the test? You can try it, but at your own risk. Okay. Now what do I do?

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I don't run as well as you do. If it starts coming towards, do you see the ostriches you've got to

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watch out for? No, not yet. They're not here at the moment. How much danger am I in right now? Not

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much. You're too close to the vehicle. What about now? It's safe. If you walk towards them,

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they'll start running. So what you're saying in effect is that I'm a more powerful security deterrent

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than they are? Yes, at the stage. Yes. It's like a real life, Jurassic Park, but without the diamonds

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and the stones. I hooked up with Peter's wife, Minky, to find out more. So this is Oendale. This is

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Oendale. A community that you and your husband founded? Yeah, you can say that. Yeah. And what's

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special about it? Special about it is the fact that we are only white people staying in the town. Yeah.

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Only white people are allowed to buy in the town. And I saw a black gentleman on his way out just

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there. That's right. They're working for us, but they're not allowed to stay in the town. We as white

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people aren't supposed to be ruled by blacks. Now, from the way we look at it, you see, you're not

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ruled by blacks. It's basically a multiracial government. And second of all, what would be a

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problem with having blacks in the government anyway? It's just the fact that because of our religion,

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it's not meant to be that way. God created not even animal as equal. If you look at nature,

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nothing in the nature is equal. Basically, what it boils down to is this is those that I chose. And who

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did he choose? The white people. So where does that leave non-whites? Well, the way we see it, they've

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got no chance. What about if you just, if you're like one sixteenth non-white? No. One thirty second.

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One sixty fourth? That's basically what it all boils down to. God doesn't want us to mix. And that's why

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we stay apart from the blacks. You make it sound almost as though we're a different species. Could be.

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Very possible.

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Minky wanted to show me how her dream of a whites only town was progressing. So she took me on a tour.

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In the town at the moment there's fifteen houses, fifteen families. Most of the houses are the four

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bedroom houses. We will try and keep everything white. This is the dressing room. You have a dressing

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room, closets, galore. There's a badminton court. This is going to be the library. Not much in there at the moment.

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This is the swimming pool? There's a black person up there who's working away. Would he be allowed to swim in here?

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No, he's not allowed to swim in here. Because they're mixing socially again and that's what we're trying to keep away from.

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And this is my favourite spot in town. Have you been on this? I've been on this. Later in the afternoon, you can't touch this.

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Why? It's too hot because of the sun. Because it's black. No, not because it's black because it's too hot.

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It's good that you've got a sense of humour about your belief. Oh yes, definitely. Do they seem at all weird to you?

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No, sometimes I do weird things but they don't seem at all weird. Who? The blacks. Oh no, I meant your beliefs.

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I believe. No, they don't seem weird to me. I don't think I would have believed it if it was weird. It might be weird to other people.

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Do you mind being thought of as a racist? Not really but I wouldn't go and introduce myself as well.

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So do you think it's weird that we believe in the stuff that you do? Quite honestly, it's very unusual.

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I listen to black music. I like a couple of Michael Jackson's music. Do you? I'm a big Lionel Richie fan. Really?

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Yes, no, definitely. That's how it seems very unusual. And I think you respect them for what they are and I can appreciate...

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So Lionel Richie couldn't come in your home though? No, he couldn't come in my home but I enjoyed his music.

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Except he was in vinyl form or CD form. I enjoy his music.

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Don't you think Lionel Richie would be upset if he saw you saying the kinds of things about, you know...

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I think he would be but I hope he's not going to show it.

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Why do you hope not? He could see this. He could see that then hopefully he'll respect me for my views.

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Do you really think that's likely? It could be. Hello, it's my favourite.

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What is it? What is it?

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Is it somewhere in your smile? Can it see it in your smile?

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Is it somewhere you ever wanted? Hey, I'll wash you down the door.

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I'm sort of making up the words. Some of them sound right.

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I can see it.

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Things deteriorated when I found Peter's record collection.

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That's Whitney Houston. Presumably Whitney Houston is incapable of being saved as a black woman, right?

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Why are you laughing at that, Peter?

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I'd always thought of music as a way to get over barriers, especially racial boundaries

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and a way in which different races can come together in different cultures.

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Because we all like pop music, don't we? We all like Chuck Berry and Whitney Houston.

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Nowadays, I'm more into classical stuff.

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Classical stuff like the Temptations?

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That's very old.

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It seems like 20 years ago you were grooving to the sounds of the Temptations and Herbie Man, jazz stuff like that, Rhythm and Blues.

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And now here you are in a community that's basically established.

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I can still listen to a music made by a black man. If it's nice music, why can't I listen to it?

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You honestly don't see any contradiction between listening to Rhythm and Blues music and enjoying the music created by people who you wouldn't let into your home?

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No. This whole thing is being turned around now.

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You're trying to turn this into a political thing. That's what you're trying to do now.

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We can't carry on. You can switch it off. I'm not too...

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Well, I wasn't off to a very good start, but I had another lead.

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I'd heard about a group claiming land not because they were white, but as an endangered minority people, the Boers.

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How much the idea of Boer nationalism crossed racial boundaries was something I wanted to find out from Boer State Party leader and swimming pool repairman...

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Dirk von Tonder. Is that you?

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That's me, yes.

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I'm Louis.

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Pleased to meet you.

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How's it going?

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Fine, fine.

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What is the Boer State Party? What does the Boer State Party stand for?

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The Boer State Party stands for the reinstatement of the Boer States.

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Period.

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So does that basically mean a separate country for poor people?

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For the Boers.

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Yes, yes. That means the reinstatement of the Boer States as it was in 1899.

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Because the English came and they took it from us.

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Yeah. Is that it? So is that basically all the land? I mean, it's quite a big chunk.

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No, it's a big chunk.

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No, I don't want you to take this the wrong way.

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Yes, sure.

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But I'm picking up a teeny bit of hostility towards the English.

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Well, I'm glad you say it's only a teeny bit.

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I can elaborate on that.

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Is that true? Is that fair to say?

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There's no great love among Boer people for the English.

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No, there's no great love. No.

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So what will your new country look like? What will it be like?

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Well, you're basically in it now.

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Are Boers in a majority here at the moment?

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No, we are not the majority at the moment.

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But let's look at Israel. I mean, at one stage, Israeli people was a very small minority.

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And we're basically in a similar situation now.

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We mustn't despair on that.

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Dirk invited me to a Boer State party festival the following day.

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Do you think it might be advisable to have a little speech that I could deliver

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to smooth the way a little bit and maybe do it in Afrikaans?

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Oh, that would be wonderful.

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Well, if you tell me what you'd like to convey.

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Yeah, I'm here to learn.

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I'll write it down for you.

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I am.

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I am here to learn.

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To learn.

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What's happening tomorrow? Are we expecting any special guests, any dignitaries?

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Well, Mr Ter Blan, she's going to be the main pivot of it.

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Mr Ter Blan.

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He's the leader of the AWB. If you look into his blowtorch blue eyes,

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you can see in him the spirit of the Boer.

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Thank you for having me.

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Bayadonki.

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You're not winding me up about that. It really is Bayadonki.

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The day of the party.

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I'd arrived early to meet the future citizens of an independent Boer nation.

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I sense these people are wearing costumes.

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No, is this a traditional Boer costume?

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Yes.

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The Afrikaans, as such, did not have folk dancing, as such.

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Even though it was a rich heritage amongst the Europeans,

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in the European nations of folk dancing, and it started it off that way.

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Really? So in a sense it's a manufactured tradition?

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Yes, I don't like that.

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I don't like it in that sense.

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If you look at the old Boer leaders in that way, they dressed as well.

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You'd see a lot in the fashion. It's also the scarf and the jacket.

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From the dance, but there's a cultural link there.

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Dirk had a lot of organising to do, so I decided to circulate.

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This is the BBC.

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He is with the Boerist Party, and he's one of our very staunch,

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stalwarts, and he's been around a long time.

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Very good man.

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And his background, let him tell you himself what his background is.

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I think he was with the Luftwaffe.

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He was with the Luftwaffe?

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Yes, for many years.

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What does it help you talk about, Pitchfoss in the past?

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People don't believe you.

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Like what?

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If we speak about national socialism, they say you are stupid.

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The best time in our world, but we are happy in Germany.

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Oh yes, if you don't like it, I don't care.

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Well Fred, what would be your perspective on that?

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That's certainly not where we're coming from.

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I wasn't in the Luftwaffe, so I wouldn't know.

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Do you both, Fred and you, head of ISNA, support the idea of a separate,

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border-start, a Boer nation?

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That's the only solution.

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As I said before, if you don't draw boundaries,

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now history is going to draw them for you.

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And, um, Dork, Dork has been...

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Excuse me, I don't like any population.

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I don't like any talk of ISNA.

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Excuse me, please.

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Thank you very much, Head of ISNA.

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No, not me.

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Yes, no, uh...

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Did I say something wrong?

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Well, he's one of the old Luftwaffe, he's still very liked in ISNA.

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Something went wrong there, but I didn't know it was.

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He probably doesn't like the British.

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Really? You think he doesn't like the British?

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I don't know, yeah.

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Did he basically a national socialist?

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Yeah, he was only a Nazi.

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He was in the Luftwaffe.

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Yeah, Luftwaffe, but there's something when the Luftwaffe

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weren't, like, enthusiastic Nazis.

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Well, I don't know. I wasn't around before my time.

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Oh, that's unusual.

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I have spoken to the leader, and he...

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Mr. Turblos?

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Yes, and sad news, he will not be able to make it today.

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So that's sad for us today.

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We were expecting about 300 or 400, and so far it's about...

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What would you say?

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Maybe more, I don't know.

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But it's early days.

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We'll see.

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But nevertheless, we carry on with our program,

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and we'll see. I think the rest will maybe come later.

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Now that Mr. Turblos had cancelled,

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Herr Beisner, the national socialist,

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took over as key speaker.

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For the first time in my life, I was second billing to a Nazi.

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Hello.

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My name is Louis Theroux, from BBC.

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And he's here on the leader of the Borekultier.

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My thanks for his freedom.

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Let me know very well, yes.

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Really accepted you very well.

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The guy before me, we appear to be speaking in German.

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Yes, you see, he's from the AWB,

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and I think I can't speak on his behalf.

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We did give him a platform.

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What's his deal like?

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Because I couldn't understand any of it.

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He's of the AWB,

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but he's also a veteran of the German Second World War.

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And that's why maybe he's a German,

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the German Second World War, yes.

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And that's why maybe he's with the AWB and not with us.

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It sounds like you're distancing yourself from him,

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but I didn't understand literally a single thing he said.

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I don't know what he said.

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What did he say?

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In one point he made a bit of a racial comment,

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where he says everything in this country was the achievement of the white man.

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We in the Buddhist art team tend to differ a little bit with that.

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We are the essence of our nation who falls on the German War,

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first and foremost, and then on skin colours and whatever.

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I mean, since we've had a little bit of a rapport

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and we've got to know each other a little bit, man to man,

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I don't reckon it would do, does you any favors to give people like that a platform,

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if that's the kind of thing he's saying?

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Yes, we try to be as accommodating as possible.

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So basically you can't risk alienating that constituency?

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Well, I think they're going to start now. I think you better not miss this.

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I was puzzled why a nice guy like Dirk was clinging to a dream of an independent state,

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instead of participating in the multi-racial South Africa,

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especially if this was the seedbed of that separate poor nation.

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Against my better instincts, I couldn't help feeling slightly sorry for Dirk.

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So, I mean, looking around, this is the event in full flood,

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and we expect maybe 300 or 400, but that's only a year-power.

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Let's say this is a quarter of the event that would have been hoped for.

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If we're looking at this weather, we can self-explanatory,

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and also other events, and this is the launch of the emergency meeting,

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that also comes into play.

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You don't think it shows a sign of people losing faith in the idea of an independent poor nation?

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Oh, no, not at all. I think the way we're doing it here is the people loving it,

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and they like to be here. I mean, they stick around, even in this weather.

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It's about to rain.

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I left disappointed that Mr. Ter Blanche hadn't shown,

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but Dirk said he'd try to set up a meeting.

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I wasn't clear what it was about the new South Africa that people like Dirk didn't like.

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To find out, I'd come to a training camp for boars, led by former nurse Fritz Meyer.

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Pleased to meet you.

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Pleased to meet you too. Welcome at the academy.

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Thank you very much.

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That's a firm handshake.

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The following day, the cadets were graduating.

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Fritz had invited me to join their final day of training.

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They too know that the Anglican War is over, right?

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Well, you must ask your Queen to apologise.

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I think that will be the decent thing to do.

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Queen Elizabeth, yeah.

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Tell her to just say I'm sorry.

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I can recall this evening.

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Okay, good.

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Because they are being discriminated against, our people, they can't get work.

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They just can't get work.

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Once they finish their training, we put them on the farm

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and security is one of their responsibilities.

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Okay, three burglars on your doorstep, sir.

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Sort them out.

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Oh, not very good.

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Aggressive.

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That's right.

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Oh, it's dead.

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Cock.

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Quick, quickly, there's another one.

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Cock again.

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Cock.

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Oh, poo.

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Good. Your aim is superb.

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Thank you.

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Nothing wrong with your aim.

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Yeah, I've got to speed it up a bit.

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But you want to survive in Africa.

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Yeah.

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They come too fast.

293
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So who is the enemy?

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The people that are killing the commercial farmers once a week.

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Okay, then, if the Burr people want to survive in South Africa,

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then we will have to be able to defend ourselves.

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And otherwise, we're sitting ducks,

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like the white people in the rest of Africa.

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They fled.

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There's nobody left.

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Oh, my God.

302
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Is this your first time?

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Yeah.

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Ever?

305
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Yeah.

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Horsemanship.

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Is that an important quality?

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I think so.

309
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Good horsemanship.

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Mr. Toblonche.

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I don't want to talk about another Africana.

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We should love each other, but I think he's done our course

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a lot of arm.

314
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Really?

315
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He's a professional community.

316
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He sort of represents the Burr cause.

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That's a pity.

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That's a pity because it does our cause, our just cause,

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a lot of wrong.

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But let's go and talk while we have a look at the countryside.

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I wish that the Burr people had a leader like Nelson Mandela.

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He fought the cause of his people, the freedom of his people,

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till the end.

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And I respect him for that.

325
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Yeah.

326
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How am I doing?

327
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All right, all right.

328
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That's better.

329
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Now something is happening.

330
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When I see this, I see our freedom on the horizon.

331
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Five the next morning, just a few hours to prove myself.

332
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Come on, Louis.

333
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We're waiting for you.

334
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Let's have a good take.

335
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So what happens now after the graduation, the passing out?

336
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What do you do then?

337
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The Burr folk have to go and work on the farms.

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So we can get the blacks from the farm so that we can be more,

339
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more white in our country, and less blacks.

340
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So what do you think about the Burr Republic?

341
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It's our land, so it's Africa's our land.

342
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And now they took it from us.

343
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And we have to take it back.

344
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I was beginning to get the sense that for the Academy defending white farmers

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could sometimes mean evicting black tenants.

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I reverted to the role of spectator for the passing out parade.

347
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Before I left, Fritz wanted to show me the site of a British-run concentration camp.

348
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How important is this place in Burr culture and the fact of the concentration camps

349
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during the Burr War?

350
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Well, I think it's part of our history.

351
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Yeah.

352
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And as such, it's respected by us.

353
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And Burr's don't really trust British as a result, no?

354
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Well, I think it did a lot to harm good relationships.

355
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Although it's still in the past, but you know, we think that the war against the Burr is still continuing.

356
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As I said, you're not part of my people.

357
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I won't, I will be sad if my daughter marry you, because there's too big a culture difference.

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What would you have done if I had come along and I had been black?

359
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It wouldn't have worked.

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Do you just see the skin?

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We, as Afrikan people, are being killed and being trampled upon and being discriminated against,

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because we are white.

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And because of that, a lot of good, potential good relations between white people and black people are being destroyed.

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I don't see why the people of Burr have to be separate from the new democratic South Africa.

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The only proven successful way of reducing that tension is by separate development.

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I was about to say goodbye when our cameraman, also a South African Burr, decided to step in.

367
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You can't act like a bastard.

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I'm not a bastard. I'm a loving father of my family and I want peace and I want law and order and I want first world standards.

369
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I'm not a bastard.

370
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I'm a better ender and you're a joiner.

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I'm a joiner, okay? I'm a joiner because I joined the New South Africa.

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That's right. A joiner of the Paracelan.

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He's a traitor.

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I was discouraged. I was hoping my next contact would offer some hope.

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A former follower of Mr. Terblange, he'd had a change of heart and now Eddie Van Maltitz was participating in the New South Africa.

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This is Louis.

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Are you ready?

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I'm Eddie Louis.

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Pleased to meet you.

380
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Welcome to Fixburg.

381
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You nearly said you were Louis.

382
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That's okay.

383
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How's it going?

384
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Nice man. Welcome in time.

385
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This is my daughter.

386
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Marty.

387
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Marty, I'm Louis. How do you do?

388
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Do you have a good trip?

389
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Yeah.

390
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Nice man.

391
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Yeah, thank you very much.

392
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If you've been running out of time, I've got an appointment at one o'clock at the Communion BBQ place.

393
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000
And the Communion BBQ place is where quite a few people come.

394
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I'm usually the only white man that eats there.

395
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I see the bites of money.

396
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London is my daughter.

397
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But do me a favour.

398
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I'm going to go.

399
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Yeah, go ahead.

400
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Hey, all stay.

401
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Hello.

402
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Hello everyone.

403
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,000
So what language are you speaking?

404
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We're speaking Sussu to Louis.

405
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Sussu to.

406
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This is the Sussu area.

407
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Yeah.

408
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Most words don't know how to speak the language where I do.

409
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Yeah.

410
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You know what I mean?

411
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And they just need leading and guidance.

412
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I'm Louis.

413
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Nice to meet you.

414
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Yeah.

415
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To the family, you'd have to wear car keys. Is that in the rules?

416
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That is military.

417
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That's military.

418
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Mm-hmm.

419
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Because we're in a war situation in the park.

420
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Marty's not wearing them.

421
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That was soon wear them as well, right Marty?

422
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Yeah.

423
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Yeah?

424
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Yeah.

425
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They're the film going to...

426
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BBC 2 in Britain.

427
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BBC on TV.

428
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Yeah.

429
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Okay.

430
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I'm trying to find out.

431
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You know what?

432
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I mean, I'm trying to sell Africa to the world.

433
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I love this continent.

434
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And Africa needs to come right.

435
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They know me.

436
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I'm a racist.

437
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I believe you.

438
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You must have minks, black and white kids in the same school.

439
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Sorry Louis.

440
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,000
You're going to talk straight.

441
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,000
Really?

442
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
Yes.

443
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
They found me.

444
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Believe it.

445
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000
They believe...

446
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,000
They know you're a racist?

447
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Yeah, for sure.

448
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000
These people.

449
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,000
For sure.

450
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Eddie.

451
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,000
Yes, sir.

452
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If you, by your own assessment, are a racist, right?

453
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
Yes.

454
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000
You're a racist as well.

455
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,000
The black man is worse racist than I am.

456
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Really?

457
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You better believe it.

458
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What do you think happened in Rwanda Marundi, Louis?

459
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Yeah.

460
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I can tell you, they did it to their own brothers.

461
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The Boers haven't done it.

462
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Let me tell you.

463
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Wait, wait, wait.

464
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Let me tell you.

465
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You English did it more than the Boers.

466
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You English killed more black aborigines in Australia than the Boers have ended.

467
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But we the Polkats of the world, that's not right, Louis.

468
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We are here for Africa.

469
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The British colonies has pulled out a left of vacuum.

470
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And we, we're not leaving.

471
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We're staying here and we especially the right wing are staying here for a cause.

472
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And that causes to improve the level of society.

473
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What were you saying, Eddie?

474
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Can we get a translation?

475
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Okay, I'll tell you.

476
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I said that you are my guest.

477
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You're going to give you real nice tasty food.

478
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I will totally accept if I'm allowed to say in a multiracial society.

479
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But then in that multiracial society I must have my own culture,

480
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I must be guaranteed my language, I must be guaranteed my prosperity.

481
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,000
How are you?

482
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000
How are you?

483
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Louis.

484
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,000
How are you?

485
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,000
How are you?

486
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Nice to meet you.

487
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,000
From Springs, Texas, right?

488
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Yeah.

489
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:33,000
I want to be Lawrence of Africa, not Lawrence of Arabia.

490
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,000
I'd love, one day when I die, that people say, hey, that guy tried.

491
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
I'm not a wealthy man.

492
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000
But you know what?

493
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000
I got it all in here.

494
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
It's not what you have, it's what you are.

495
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Get in that tent.

496
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,000
It's in your commonalinson.

497
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Keep it here.

498
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Keep it here.

499
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Jeff.

500
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000
You know?

501
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Eddie invited me back to his farm.

502
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000
So far I liked him.

503
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,000
And if he was a racist, he was unlike any racist I'd ever met before.

504
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,000
What are we looking at?

505
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,000
This is a poteau.

506
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:07,000
As a right-winger or as a boar, I do not like this because my name's at stake.

507
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000
And I really feel bad about it.

508
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000
I mean, when you look at this, Louis, just look at this.

509
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,000
Look at this, that's right.

510
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,000
Look at that.

511
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,000
It's already being patched profusely.

512
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000
My brother, this is going to cause accidents.

513
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Can I tell you, that's one of the first signs of a banana republic?

514
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,000
Do you know that?

515
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,000
Is that what you're afraid of?

516
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,000
I'm afraid of a banana republic.

517
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Look, look, look, look, Eddie, look, look.

518
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,000
It's not that big.

519
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Oh, it's not that big, but you know what?

520
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,000
It has been repaired over and over.

521
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Have you noticed that before and has that got your goat?

522
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Yes, this has really got my goat.

523
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
So this poteau is a powerful symbol of everything you stand against?

524
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

525
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Look at that, do you think is that our future?

526
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000
I believe that is the future, that's the future of Africa.

527
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Without the boar.

528
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Without the boar, it won't be.

529
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000
But with you?

530
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000
With me, I'm going to fix it.

531
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000
So is this your farm, Eddie?

532
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,000
This is where we farm.

533
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Yeah, so you are a true boar because boar means farmer, doesn't it?

534
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Farmer, that's right, the boar.

535
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000
This is my son Michael.

536
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Hi, Michael. How's it going?

537
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,000
You too.

538
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
He's wearing those Africanas shorts.

539
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Yes, they are.

540
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,000
You've seen on TV.

541
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000
We don't wear them that high up, is it?

542
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,000
Eddie, come on in.

543
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000
You got it?

544
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,000
Why are you wearing shorts?

545
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
We like it, we like it, because you know why when you kick,

546
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
I also wear shorts like that.

547
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
Really?

548
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
I'll leave them here.

549
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
Wait a ton.

550
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,000
I've got it.

551
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Sorry, Louis, join the club.

552
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000
I like you.

553
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,000
I like you, Louis.

554
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Don't break your neck, Louis.

555
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
You seem to have camouflage on your roof.

556
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000
It is just a symbol.

557
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000
That's Eddie's symbol, who loves camouflage.

558
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,000
Yeah.

559
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Eddie wanted to train me in armed combat

560
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000
to help him on his farm patrols.

561
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000
We just grabbed the weapons.

562
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
You have sandbags here right in the porch of your house.

563
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Why would you need that?

564
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,000
Look at this, what is this?

565
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,000
That is for farm attack when you're going into the area.

566
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,000
A shield.

567
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Yes.

568
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,000
One, two.

569
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,000
It turned out Eddie had a secret weapon for his farm patrol,

570
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
14-year-old Marty.

571
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000
One.

572
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Come, do it.

573
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000
That was good.

574
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
That was good, Marty.

575
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000
Why are you learning that?

576
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,000
Soft defeat.

577
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Soft defense, really.

578
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
That's what the farm watch is about.

579
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Is that what this is? Farm watch?

580
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000
It's about defending farms against criminals.

581
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,000
It's nice.

582
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,000
It's going to go backward over the head.

583
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Mine over there.

584
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
What if I just came at you like that?

585
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,000
Come here, I'm going to do this.

586
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Block, stab in the stomach, lock, kick, strike, and back.

587
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000
This is Africa.

588
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Yeah.

589
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,000
Five of the fittest.

590
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,000
One, two.

591
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Will Marty be coming on the patrol with us?

592
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000
I'd feel a lot safer if she did.

593
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000
Yes, yes.

594
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Okay, stop.

595
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Thank you.

596
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
Am I going to be much use on this patrol?

597
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
You'll be good for cannon fodder.

598
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
I'll put you in front when I start shooting.

599
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
You used to be with the Terblances, eh?

600
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Correct.

601
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,000
I used to be.

602
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,000
I resigned about 10 years ago.

603
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000
He woke up my patriotism in my life.

604
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Did he?

605
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
I was just an ordinary guy, making money,

606
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,000
not worried about anything else.

607
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
So why did you leave Terblances organization?

608
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Lack of discipline.

609
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,000
Lack of discipline?

610
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Lack of your discipline?

611
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
Lack of their discipline?

612
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,000
I believe it.

613
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
That's ridiculous.

614
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,000
You can't go smoking, drinking, and beating the barb.

615
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,000
You've got to make a plan.

616
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Come, my friend.

617
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Should I wear that?

618
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Yes, weighs 17 kilograms.

619
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Can withstand any bullet penetration.

620
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Can I fetch my gun, Marty?

621
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
I want to shoot at him.

622
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Oh, bring the R1, the Drunger 2.

623
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Are you ready to hold on?

624
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Yeah.

625
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,000
I'm going to shoot you in the stomach.

626
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Yeah.

627
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Okay.

628
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Yeah, ready?

629
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,000
Ready.

630
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000
There have been a lot of farm attacks.

631
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Are we going to be all right?

632
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000
I think so.

633
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
We're on a farm patrol, going from farm to farm,

634
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,000
making sure that the most important human resource stays alive.

635
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
It's an endangered species, the farmer.

636
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Is it just about protecting white people?

637
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,000
No, it's protecting black people as well.

638
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Do not forget, they feel terribly unsafe as well,

639
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
because that part of the family, we regard them.

640
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Black people are our own family.

641
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
You always take Marty and your daughter along?

642
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,000
That's right.

643
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Really?

644
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
For support.

645
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Now, they don't seem like they'd be the most effective.

646
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,000
I mean, Marty's obviously trained, but she's only about 14, isn't she?

647
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,000
That's right.

648
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
She's a 14-year-old girl, and then your daughter is how old?

649
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,000
She's, what, something, 23?

650
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,000
23, I mean, are they going to be effective fighting in this effective fighting force?

651
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Yes, because they've been trained in modern warfare.

652
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,000
The farms were quiet that night.

653
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Perhaps the criminals were scared off by Eddie's and my mastery of modern warfare.

654
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Meanwhile, word came through that Eddie's former leader, Eugene Tereblanche,

655
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
was finally ready to meet me.

656
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,000
He had a reputation for a fiery temper, so I was slightly nervous.

657
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,000
On the way, I decided to pick up my old friend, Dirk, for some advice.

658
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000
I've got a CD of his Bogey, and...

659
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Could we listen to it?

660
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Oh, you're welcome to.

661
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
What does it sound like? Is it music?

662
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,000
That's Afrikaans poetry.

663
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000
And in the background, very gentle music.

664
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000
I don't know how it's your Afrikaans these days,

665
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,000
since you've slipped up some of it.

666
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000
Yeah, it's a pro. I'm fluent.

667
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
But for viewers, unfortunately, I have to speak English.

668
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Can you put the CD on?

669
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Can you put the CD on?

670
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Yes, I can put it on.

671
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Yeah, take it on.

672
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000
It's just a long intro at the beginning.

673
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,000
It's a bit like Hotel California.

674
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Yeah.

675
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Do you like the Eagles?

676
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000
I do quite.

677
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
I'm also a fan of the Eagles.

678
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Really?

679
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Yeah.

680
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
But I never could quite get to that Hotel California.

681
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
What are they trying to tell you in the words?

682
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000
I think it's a...

683
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Isn't it a...

684
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,000
My world in Australia.

685
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
There you go, no?

686
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Neumdachter de Vies.

687
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:32,000
Music

688
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000
What subject should I avoid when I'm talking to Mr. Ter Blanche?

689
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Racism?

690
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,000
That's a good one.

691
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Because he's not in my eyes a racist.

692
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Yeah, really?

693
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,000
He's a nationalist. He's a Buer nationalist.

694
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Why, what happens if you bring up racism?

695
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000
How do you sum this up?

696
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,000
I think it's fair enough to be respectful of your cultural heritage

697
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
and to be interested in being a Buer.

698
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
But I don't understand why you couldn't pursue that

699
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,000
in the context of a multiracial South Africa.

700
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,000
You know why you have to have your own country to do that?

701
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
So Louis, where did you get this shirt from?

702
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000
This? My girlfriend got it for me.

703
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
It's got farmers on it.

704
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Your girlfriend?

705
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,000
Yeah.

706
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,000
You like it?

707
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000
I'm not mad about it though.

708
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Really?

709
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
Oh dear, dear, dear.

710
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
As long as Mr. TV, Mr. Ter Blanche likes it,

711
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000
that's the important thing.

712
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,000
E-E-T, you say?

713
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,000
E-T.

714
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Sounds a bit funny.

715
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
I'm not mad about it.

716
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Mr. Ter Blanche.

717
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000
I'm not mad about E-T.

718
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
I'm just kidding.

719
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
How'd it do?

720
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Pleased to meet you.

721
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Thanks so much for agreeing to come on our show.

722
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Much appreciated.

723
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,000
Thank you.

724
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Seriously.

725
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
I hope you appreciate it.

726
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
I do. Seriously.

727
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,000
Really?

728
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,000
I saw it's where you wanted it.

729
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000
Well, I've been enjoying your CD, Tolvos, very much.

730
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Oh yes.

731
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,000
Yeah.

732
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,000
Did you understand it?

733
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Well, Dirk was kind enough to translate some of the words.

734
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,000
Yes.

735
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Yeah.

736
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
So, yeah, that was very good.

737
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,000
Thank you.

738
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000
I understand there's been historical animosity between our peoples,

739
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
the British and the Boers.

740
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,000
But, you know, I'm hoping that in the spirit of reconciliation,

741
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
you know, we can achieve some kind of understanding.

742
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000
I'm not sure what that would be.

743
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
I mean, how would you feel about that?

744
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000
This is a great province.

745
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:58,000
I'm claiming and I'm demanding those two republics.

746
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Yeah.

747
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
I mean, so, let me just go rough since it includes Johannesburg.

748
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Yeah, Johannesburg is still part of it.

749
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Yeah.

750
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,000
So, you have Johannesburg.

751
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Is that Johannesburg?

752
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Yeah.

753
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Okay, I give it to you tonight.

754
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Really?

755
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,000
You can have him.

756
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
I mean, I don't claim any part of something.

757
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Oh, I am not claiming Johannesburg.

758
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Okay.

759
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Why not?

760
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:26,000
Because Johannesburg is a place where the war started.

761
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:32,000
There are a majority of black people and people from foreign countries.

762
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
They can have it with love from me.

763
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Okay.

764
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,000
So, it can be a state in a state.

765
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000
So, where does that leave?

766
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,000
So, you can...

767
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
What does that leave?

768
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000
That leaves this area here.

769
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Oh, that is the two republics of the Transvaal and the Orange Free State.

770
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Otherwise, it means Africans free start.

771
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Now, my friends, we can start to talk culture.

772
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000
Just to make it a little easier to understand.

773
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000
I have brought a small chart.

774
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:13,000
A lot of these qualities are in black people and colored people too.

775
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Can a non-white person be a boar?

776
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Never.

777
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Never?

778
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Never.

779
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000
You can never be a boar.

780
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,000
What about if he has all these qualities?

781
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Christian, God fearing, accepts the elements, whether toughness, pride, patriotism, sense

782
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,000
of history, speaks Africans and he just happens not to be white.

783
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,000
It is not a matter of black and white, my friends.

784
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,000
You really do not understand.

785
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Why?

786
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,000
We are not Africans from Africa.

787
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:47,280
We are white people, the descendants of the British and the Irish and the French people

788
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,120
and the Dutch people.

789
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,120
We are from Europe.

790
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:58,000
You don't want me to rule those two boar republics as the sole property of the boar people.

791
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,000
Can I make a distinction?

792
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,000
No.

793
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,000
No?

794
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,000
No.

795
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,000
You asked me the question and I answered it.

796
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,800
No, definitely no.

797
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:16,000
My task is to defend my people against the ideas to destroy my people.

798
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Thanks for clearing that up.

799
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:24,000
If I could recap, Christian, God fearing accepts the elements, the weather, toughness, pride,

800
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,000
patriotism of being a boar, sense of history, boar history, ideally should speak Africans

801
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,000
because it was very hard to come to the last point.

802
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Yes.

803
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Must be white.

804
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Yes.

805
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,600
If we allow black people or non-white people to become boar people, then it will be the

806
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:47,400
end of the existence of the boar people because in South Africa alone there are only three

807
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,000
and a half million against 40 million black people.

808
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,000
There is an exciting new country, a democratic country.

809
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,000
Exciting.

810
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Yes, South Africa.

811
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Exciting.

812
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,000
And it seems like...

813
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,000
I'm not saying that.

814
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,000
What is exciting?

815
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,800
Exciting that the people who build the highways and the schools are not in the government

816
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,800
anymore.

817
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Is that exciting?

818
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,800
The downfall, the downfall...

819
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Mr. Tiflosh, I feel as though you're lecturing me a little bit.

820
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Can we just lower the tone slightly?

821
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,000
No, no.

822
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
You are having the interview with me.

823
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,000
I'll choose the volume of the tone.

824
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Do you understand me?

825
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,000
Yes.

826
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Okay, then you accept it.

827
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000
And if you don't want to have the interview, take your cameras and go at my feet.

828
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Okay, okay.

829
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,000
Understood.

830
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,000
I'm not in court and you're not cross-questioning me, okay?

831
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
No, I understand that.

832
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Okay.

833
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,000
No, I just...

834
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,000
So don't try to be cocky, my friend.

835
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
I'm not trying to be cocky.

836
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
Yeah.

837
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,000
I'm really trying to establish some kind of dialogue.

838
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:51,000
You take another tone, my friend, and never tell me I must have reduced my volume.

839
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:56,000
I'm a boor and I don't need you or your publicity, my friend.

840
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,000
All right?

841
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:03,500
I think it's obvious that we're not going to agree about everything.

842
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:12,000
I would say, though, that I sense that you moderated somewhat in your beliefs because

843
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000
years ago it seemed as though you were talking about armed struggle and predicted a civil

844
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000
war.

845
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:25,000
And I predicted that there will be a revolution between black nations in South Africa.

846
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,000
And so what does the AWB, your organization, do at that point?

847
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,720
Oh, we will defend ourselves.

848
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,000
We will not allow those forces to be...

849
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,500
I mean, do you grab your land?

850
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:38,000
Then do you grab this area of the transpire and the orange and gray station?

851
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I am not grabbing anything.

852
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
I am entitled to my debt.

853
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000
That's what I meant.

854
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
I mean...

855
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,000
No.

856
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,000
Sorry.

857
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,000
I mean, what people do.

858
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,000
And then you decide to ask me if I will grab.

859
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Put off that camera.

860
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Can I just shake hands and say, thank you very much.

861
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000
You have a firm hand.

862
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,000
We're supposed to...

863
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Oh, that's...

864
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,000
What am I?

865
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Why are you squeezing it so hard?

866
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Am I not a man?

867
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Yeah.

868
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Meaning?

869
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Meaning.

870
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Am I not a man?

871
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Is that Shakespeare?

872
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,000
I left Mr. Teblanche with the feeling that he'd never see his dream of a whites-only homeland,

873
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,200
and there was something rather sad about how out of touch he was with the country around

874
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,200
him.

875
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:22,600
My time in South Africa was drawing to a close, but before I left, I went to see Eddie Van

876
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,200
Malthits on his farm.

877
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,200
I finished mucking the cow, the muckers and Joe Burger eating.

878
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,200
I can't believe it.

879
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,200
He'd invited me to an annual Boer ceremony.

880
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,200
Welcome home.

881
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,200
But before we left, there was work to do.

882
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Well, you seem very friendly, of course, but some of the other people I've met haven't

883
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,200
been friendly and have been really hostile in some ways, or deeply, I don't know.

884
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Just not seem to be interested in building a future for black and white, just for white.

885
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Well, can I tell you, I've got the standard point of view, that if you play a piano, you

886
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,200
mustn't just play with the white ones.

887
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,200
To play the black ones, you get a perfect tune.

888
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,200
Do you believe that?

889
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,200
Yes.

890
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,200
Ebony and Ivory?

891
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,200
Yes.

892
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Do you believe that?

893
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,200
I do believe that, but do not forget they're still separate.

894
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,200
They are not...

895
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Well, they're all on the same keyboard, aren't they?

896
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Yes, they're all on the same keyboard, but you don't get them camouflaged, eh?

897
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,200
There's black ones, there's white ones, they play, and it has a beautiful tune.

898
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,200
Yeah.

899
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Thank you, man.

900
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,200
Yeah, Mr. Tobloge.

901
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,200
Mr. Tobloge.

902
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Very hostile.

903
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,200
I think because...

904
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Deeply racist.

905
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:26,200
Yes, I think because he has lost a dream, and it's hurt him terribly.

906
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,200
What dream?

907
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,200
A dream that the boys would rule.

908
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Yeah.

909
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,200
You know?

910
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,200
I'm getting up.

911
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Come, Englishman.

912
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,200
Thank you.

913
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,200
Appreciate it.

914
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,200
That's just to be a good farmer.

915
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Yeah.

916
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,200
You'll be a good boy.

917
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Mr. Tobloge, you lost that dream too, then?

918
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:46,200
I believe that the boy is indispensable to Africa.

919
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,200
So would you say most of the white people agree with you that they want to make it work in the New South Africa?

920
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,200
Yes, yes.

921
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,200
If they didn't want to, they'd have gone.

922
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,200
They'd have to stay.

923
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,200
You've got to be optimistic in this word.

924
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Enthusiasm is something that breaks through any barrier.

925
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,200
But you must be enthusiastic.

926
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,200
You must take the bull by the horns and you watch.

927
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,200
We do it.

928
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Let's go and feed it.

929
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,200
Let's prove that you feed that nation.

930
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Then say you love people.

931
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Show it.

932
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,200
Did you love them?

933
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,200
Push, you guys.

934
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,200
Push, push, push, push.

935
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Push, push, push, push, push, push, push, push.

936
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,200
The event that he had invited me to was a commemoration of a boar victory over the Zulus.

937
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Do you force Marty to wear camouflage?

938
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,200
Marty, were you forced to wear camouflage?

939
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,200
No.

940
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,200
I woke up this morning.

941
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,200
I asked him if he had anything for me to wear.

942
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,200
I said, I want to wear camo.

943
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,200
I looked like a guy.

944
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,200
But when you land up in a fight, you never know when it is.

945
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,200
You're going to disappear in the bush.

946
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Of course you're going to be camoed.

947
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Do you think there's a chance of a fight happening today?

948
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,200
No.

949
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,200
You never know though?

950
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,200
Yes, but I don't think so.

951
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,200
Camouflage clothes has a dominating effect.

952
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Does it?

953
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Yes.

954
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,200
Camouflage clothes has a dominating effect.

955
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Yes, they've improved it.

956
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,200
If you come with pink shirts and yellow pants and pink shoelaces, everybody thinks you're

957
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,200
a flower child, we are going to be hippie.

958
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,200
Why make love?

959
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,200
Why make war?

960
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,200
That'll make love.

961
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,200
Yes, yes.

962
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,200
Well, how are we doing for time?

963
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,200
I don't want to miss the...

964
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Look, we've only got three minutes.

965
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,200
I feel loved.

966
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,200
Not surprisingly, the proceedings were in Afrikaans.

967
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,200
And of all the Boer cultural events I'd been to so far, this was definitely not one of

968
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,200
the highlights.

969
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,200
That was a steep, steep.

970
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,200
That was pretty long, eh?

971
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,200
It was good.

972
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,200
Was that good?

973
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,200
Yeah.

974
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,200
I really liked it.

975
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,200
I couldn't really understand what was going on.

976
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,200
How are you going, Eddie?

977
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,200
There we go.

978
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,200
Here's the rest of the team.

979
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,200
How do you do?

980
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,200
Yes.

981
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,200
What's your name?

982
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,200
Andre.

983
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,200
We don't want to mix with the other people.

984
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,200
And it was also with the British.

985
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,200
That's why we fought the British.

986
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,200
It's all about domination.

987
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,200
Yeah.

988
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,200
This team.

989
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Dominating powers.

990
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,200
It's also do nothing in New World Orders says we must make a malato nation, a bastard

991
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,200
nation.

992
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,200
But when you think about malato nation, when you think about it, Eddie, your ancestors are

993
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,200
German, I think.

994
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,200
And I know, you know, we met Eugene Terblanc, his ancestors are French.

995
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,200
Yeah, France and Scotch.

996
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200
In a way, the poor themselves are kind of a rainbow nation.

997
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,000
No, they're not a rainbow nation.

998
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,200
You see, because they're from the western civilizations.

999
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,200
Caucasian.

1000
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Especially white.

1001
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,200
You can go back to the certain countries they came from.

1002
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,200
I don't want this to sound insensitive, but when you think about that, that sounds a little

1003
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,200
bit Nazi-ish.

1004
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,200
Do you realise something?

1005
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,200
That if you want to civilise, you must have some, you can on a scale.

1006
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,200
Eddie, what is on a scale?

1007
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,200
Differentiate.

1008
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,200
If you want to be civilised, you must differentiate.

1009
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Discriminate also.

1010
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,200
Do you know you discriminate?

1011
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,200
You like blue more than brown.

1012
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,200
He prefers the English to the blue.

1013
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,200
I can tell you that now.

1014
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,200
I know he's a discrimination totally.

1015
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,200
So if you can't discriminate, you can't be civilised.

1016
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,200
What do you think?

1017
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,200
Do you see this?

1018
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,200
Andres coming out with views that in Britain just wouldn't be considered civilised or acceptable.

1019
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Well, unfortunately.

1020
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Like what?

1021
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,200
What would be the idea that racial mixing is somehow wrong?

1022
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,200
So you don't think it's wrong?

1023
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,200
You don't think it's wrong?

1024
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,200
What?

1025
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,200
Racial mixing.

1026
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,200
Do you think it's wrong?

1027
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,200
No.

1028
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,200
Not?

1029
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,200
No.

1030
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,200
We are normal people, but we are honest about what we like and what we don't like.

1031
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:26,200
If you are in Britain and you talk about French people or German people, there's a difference.

1032
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:33,200
If you are in South Africa and you talk about white and black people, there's much more difference.

1033
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,200
We've got to shop off, haven't we Eddie?

1034
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,200
Cheers my friend.

1035
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,200
See you later.

1036
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Quite radical.

1037
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,200
He's a military intelligence officer like I was.

1038
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,200
Yeah, he told me he was in the jewellery business.

1039
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Yes, that's right.

1040
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,200
Not military intelligence.

1041
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,200
No, all of us.

1042
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,200
I'm farming as well, but I'm also military intelligence.

1043
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,200
When people say, Bord, do you think they really mean white man?

1044
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,200
Yes, I think so.

1045
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,200
I think so.

1046
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Yes.

1047
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,200
Because I mean, I only think because we've gone through this whole thing about a cultural life of the Bord and

1048
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,200
Africa and all this kind of thing, but actually it turns out that at the end of the day, it seems to be about white and black.

1049
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,200
Yes, I'll believe it.

1050
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,200
It was time to say goodbye to Eddie.

1051
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,200
He had some strange views on race, but I had to give him this.

1052
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:29,200
He was staying, and in his own way, he was doing his bit for the New South Africa.

1053
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,200
You can't reconcile and then go banging on about racial differences like that guy, Andre.

1054
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,200
Integration will come naturally. Don't force it.

1055
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:58,200
I greet you and let me, let me greet each other. Good.

1056
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,200
It was before the battle of the, when they fought against the galley.

1057
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Because maybe I will never see you again, but if we see each other again, then we laugh about this.

1058
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,200
Thanks so much for your time.

1059
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,200
Yeah.

1060
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,200
Can you go well?

1061
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,200
Final thoughts?

1062
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,200
I'll send you a white light to guide you.

1063
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,200
A white light to guide me? What does that mean exactly?

1064
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,200
Like a little lamp?

1065
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,200
Figure it out for yourself, my friend.

1066
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:36,200
I cannot say that you are black, but I think I am blue because that will not be a light.

1067
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,200
Good night.

1068
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,200
Good night.